December 2007 Entry discussion

[Dani]

I would like to meet a rep also as I cant afford a scanner

[Yanick]

Darn! Me too skilled? My ego is sky high now!!! Well, I guess we should aim for a day like Saturday or Sunday to do that. I love your sad puss face, it's so cute! :)

[blade16]

i'm noob but what i need to do in this event??? lol


edit: oh i have already all thoes things lol :D i wont yoin this time :(

[Godthatfailed]

If any1 of u has somethin throw away, lik somethin u dont need of hunt or somethin u mined and cant sell.
DONATE IT TO TONIGHTS EVENT. and apply for it if u want to.
it is for all who sweat (mostly for noobs- to keep em goin)
:)
Im w8ing for auctions to finish to ssee if somethin stays so i can donate that :)


Link to event:

http://www.eu-chronicle.com/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=4495

Link if u are willing to donate something:

http://www.eu-chronicle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4466

[phunksta]

This thread is just to hold any posts that were put into the official entrants or results threads - by mistake of course - I wouldn't suggest for a moment that anyone ignored my instructions LOL

:p :p

[Burgerman]

I only posted in answer to Sylc. :(

Will Sylc's scan pics still be counted, seeing as they now appear in this thread?

[UnaAlconbury]

I scanned Sylc today, and her highest skill level is within the 1000 points limit, so I am happy to post these scans on behalf of Sylc.

Hmm.. how can you see that there is no skill over 1000 points only from looking at the profession levels?

[Burgerman]

Based on the chart at http://www.eu-chronicle.com/cmps_index.php?page=misclists
1000 points = Qualified profession. Anything below Qualified rank should also be below 1000 points. :D

[UnaAlconbury]

Based on the chart at http://www.eu-chronicle.com/cmps_index.php?page=misclists
1000 points = Qualified profession. Anything below Qualified rank should also be below 1000 points. :D
Well I am quite sure I had over 1000 points in Rifle skill before I hit level 10 in any profession, not to talk about Laser Weaponry Technology. I don't think that the chart mean that 1000 skill points is the same as level 10 in a profession (which profession btw?), as a profession depends on different skills. My guess is that the chart suggests that you are "qualified" in a certain skill when you have 1000 points of it, and "qualified" in a profession when you reached level 10. And it doesn't mean that 1000 skill points is equal to 10 levels in a profession.

Was this understandable? :) I could be wrong, but it feels right to me lol

If this is correct, it's not a problem though. The rules for the competition could be changed to that level 10 (or a bit less) in any profession is max to be able to compete.

[Burgerman]

Well I am quite sure I had over 1000 points in Rifle skill before I hit level 10 in any profession, not to talk about Laser Weaponry Technology. I don't think that the chart mean that 1000 skill points is the same as level 10 in a profession (which profession btw?), as a profession depends on different skills. My guess is that the chart suggests that you are "qualified" in a certain skill when you have 1000 points of it, and "qualified" in a profession when you reached level 10. And it doesn't mean that 1000 skill points is equal to 10 levels in a profession.

Was this understandable? :) I could be wrong, but it feels right to me lol

If this is correct, it's not a problem though. The rules for the competition could be changed to that level 10 (or a bit less) in any profession is max to be able to compete.

I was just basing this upon the discussion with the contest creator, at
http://www.eu-chronicle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4121
where it was stated, "anybody not 'qualified' will be allowed to enter."

I'm a little surprised that all these details were not worked out already, as I thought that was the purpose of the test run contest in October?
Hopefully Cantbe or Phunksta can clarify this, as the profession ranks are the only things shown in a scan window.

[UnaAlconbury]

I was just basing this upon the discussion with the contest creator, at
http://www.eu-chronicle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4121
where it was stated, "anybody not 'qualified' will be allowed to enter."

I'm a little surprised that all these details were not worked out already, as I thought that was the purpose of the test run contest in October?
Hopefully Cantbe or Phunksta can clarify this, as the profession ranks are the only things shown in a scan window.
Yeah okay, maybe I should've questioned it earlier. But I hadn't thought about the validity or meaning of that chart back then. Began to think about it when it struck my mind that I had over 1000 skill points in both Rifle and LWT, probably also Anatomy, before I was level 10 in any profession.

[Yanick]

You might already be too highly skilled, but I would be delighted to scan and post your skill screenshots, just finding a time to meet ingame will be the hardest part.
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I scanned Sylc today, and her highest skill level is within the 1000 points limit, so I am happy to post these scans on behalf of Sylc.


Thank you bunches Burger for posting my pics! Awesome mentor!!!:D

[phunksta]

I only posted in answer to Sylc. :(

Will Sylc's scan pics still be counted, seeing as they now appear in this thread?

Oops - slightly over zealous post moving - moved it back :)

[phunksta]

I was just basing this upon the discussion with the contest creator, at
http://www.eu-chronicle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4121
where it was stated, "anybody not 'qualified' will be allowed to enter."

I'm a little surprised that all these details were not worked out already, as I thought that was the purpose of the test run contest in October?
Hopefully Cantbe or Phunksta can clarify this, as the profession ranks are the only things shown in a scan window.

I understood it as you wrote it Burger - although our test run wasn't terribly thorough (mainly cos I disappeared most of the month) it seemed that was the way forward

[Phoenix]

I think it is better to change the rules to either < 1000 points in any skill or less than "Qualified" in any skill. This will solve any problems ;)

It seems as both cannot exist at the same time, so... :)

[Erach]

< 1000 points in any skill

That'd be better written "< 1000 points in all skills"? Otherwise it's a bit ambiguous.

Erach.

[Eud Sgurr]

I am still confused. What does this rules mean? "No more than 999 skill points in your highest skill" or "All skills combined must not exceed a total of 1000 skill points" or something else? :confused:

From a newcomer's perspective, the whole skill system is a bit of a mystery; still, after three weeks on Calypso. I think this rule need to be very clear, because I don't think I am the only newbie who (1) don't quite understand all the skills, ranks, professions, etc, and (2) therefore don't quite understand the entry critera to the competition. (at least I hope I am not the only one, for my sake ;) ).

[Phoenix]

"No more than 999 skill points in your highest skill"
That's exactly what I meant. And that is what we all mean. Good point there Eud. Sorry if I confused anyone.

So to clear things up:

1) The entrant must have less than 1000 points in any skill. (Sorry Erach, this seems better than "all") What does that mean? It means that when you press "K" to view the Avatar Information Panel, you mustn't see more than 999 points in any skill at any category in order to enter the competition.

2) The other rule is that he/she must not be Qualified in any skill. That means that in the Avatar Information Panel, you mustn't see any rank say "Qualified" or better.

The problem is that one of those rules must apply because they seem to conflict with each other.

I hope that I could be of assistance. I attach a pic of a skill showing the points and rank I was talking about. This participant can qualify because he has less than 1000 points in this skill (which is his highest) and the rank is not "Qualified" or more than that. Just an example to help you out.

PS. About ranks, this (http://www.eu-chronicle.com/cmps_index.php?page=misclists) can help. Mind though that the rank and skills comparison probably doesn't work. Credits to Burger and Una for this. :)

[phunksta]

Brilliant Phoenix - I've put a link to your post from the competition rules to help explain.

I will try to be online after 20:00 game time for a few scanning sessions, if you can be online at these times and you requested a scan above please PM me, or meet me in PA

[UnaAlconbury]

So to clear things up:

1) The entrant must have less than 1000 points in any skill. (Sorry Erach, this seems better than "all") What does that mean? It means that when you press "K" to view the Avatar Information Panel, you mustn't see more than 999 points in any skill at any category in order to enter the competition.

2) The other rule is that he/she must not be Qualified in any skill. That means that in the Avatar Information Panel, you mustn't see any rank say "Qualified" or better.

These two rules have the same meaning. When you hit 1000 points in a skill, you will be "Qualified" in that skill. This I haven't questioned. What I have been trying to explain is that you can not link the rank of a profession to the rank of a skill in any way. This is because a profession is affected by several skills, example:

The profession "Laser Sniper (Hit)" is affected by the following skills (skill effect in paranthesis):

Agility (3%)
Aim (4%)
Combat Reflexes (3%)
Combat Sense (5%)
Commando (3%)
Marksmanship (8%)
Rifle (39%)
Weapons Handling (8%)
Laser Weaponry Technology (14%)
Coolness (4%)
Courage (3%)
Dexterity (3%)
Perception (2%)
Serendipity (1%)

Look at this (http://www.entropedia.info/Chart.aspx?chart=SkillAct) page on Entropedia.info to see all professions and what skills they are affected by.

So, to get back to the problem. The table on this (http://www.eu-chronicle.com/cmps_index.php?page=misclists) page has caused a lot of confusion, it's obviously easy to misunderstand and think that if you are below the rank "Qualified" in any profession, you wont't be "Qualified" in any skill. However, as I mentioned earlier, the profession ranks cannot be linked with the skill ranks, simply because a profession is affected by more than one skill. I believe it is the layout of the table and the fact that the same rank names are used for both professions and skills that have caused confusion.

So, being under level 10 (= Profession rank: "Qualified") in any profession does not mean that you do not have 1000 points (= Skill rank: "Qualified") in any skill.

As we do want to scan the participants instead of letting them take a screenshot of their skills (because of the risk of cheating), I suggest that the competition rule "You must not have more than 1000 skill points in any category" should be replaced by "You must not be above level 10 in any profession" (or a lower level, because 10 is quite high...). This because we can not see if they have more than 1000 skill points by scanning them.

I hope I have explained it better this time.

[Phoenix]

Ahem, Una's right! So, profession it is. It is quite simple actually to use the Profession levels instead of the skills. So to sum up everything. You can forget my earlier post since I misunderstood what Una and Burger were talking about. The problem stands between choosing skills or professions as the criteria for entering the competition.

Since we have to scan people for the competition, there must be a profession level limit. I choose level 5 in any profession. I know it seems low enough, but checking my stats, I have almost 1K points in longblades and I'm level 4 in Swordsman (Hit) Profession. It is exactly as Una said. Skills and Professions don't grow together.

I confused you all again. I'm sorry. I think Una has cleared everything up now. :D Thx m8! :)

[phunksta]

We have 2 things to get right here:

1) Making sure entrants are newbies - doesn't have to be very exact
2) Judging skill gains as one of the criteria for winning. Has to be exact

I was planning to judge skill gains according to if the entrant was scanned or posted skills.

I think that because of this we should make it mandatory to post skills. If people hack images so be it. They are usually easy to spot, and the effort is disproportionate to the award.

Scanning should just be a secondary check i.e. we should be able to get a rough idea if skill increases are 'real' by checking PS levels before and after skills postings.

To make it even more complicated, unless we scan entrants on the 1st and 31st then they could gain extra skill son those days. Is that fair?

So if all agreed we should ask entrants to post skills AND be scanned before and after, unless they do not wish skill gains to be part of their entry.

[Yanick]

We have 2 things to get right here:

1) Making sure entrants are newbies - doesn't have to be very exact
2) Judging skill gains as one of the criteria for winning. Has to be exact

I was planning to judge skill gains according to if the entrant was scanned or posted skills.

I think that because of this we should make it mandatory to post skills. If people hack images so be it. They are usually easy to spot, and the effort is disproportionate to the award.

Scanning should just be a secondary check i.e. we should be able to get a rough idea if skill increases are 'real' by checking PS levels before and after skills postings.

To make it even more complicated, unless we scan entrants on the 1st and 31st then they could gain extra skill son those days. Is that fair?

So if all agreed we should ask entrants to post skills AND be scanned before and after, unless they do not wish skill gains to be part of their entry.
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Sounds fair, I'll post my skills and I hope Burger's post of the scan he did for me is valid. I'd also like to contribute to the prize, I have a few pieces of Knight male armor.

[phunksta]

Sounds fair, I'll post my skills and I hope Burger's post of the scan he did for me is valid. I'd also like to contribute to the prize, I have a few pieces of Knight male armor.

Thanks Yanick - and if anyone else wants to donate too, they will all go toward the prize for the next competition which should be February 2008 :)

[Yanick]

Thanks Yanick - and if anyone else wants to donate too, they will all go toward the prize for the next competition which should be February 2008 :)

You're welcome!

[phunksta]

Hi. I'm new to the game. Full name Miss Mina Malady.
I usually play 18:00 - 08:00 GMT.

Here are some screens. I didn't go to page 2 of the professions since they are listed highest first [only 5 attachments are allowed, anyway]. To the side are the relevant skills from the Avatar sheet.
My best skills are hunting, which just barely hit 500 today. Nothing else is anywhere near that. I tried mining but it was too expensive for now.
I only have the Pixie armor because Chazz the Jazz gave it to me, a nice Romanian. I hate the face plates. Why spend an hour fixing your avatar then cover it up completely?

I hope you can read these, I had to mess with them to make them fit the forum requirements.

P.S. If you really wanted to eliminate cheating, you should require server time in the screens. Of course that can be photo-shopped. *sigh*
My last screen shows a time stamp down in the chatbox and my sad PED balance. :)

Edit: The rules don't specify when you joined, but since everybody else is doing it: I think I joined around 5-7 days ago. Maybe Nov 17-18?
I think this is a super contest, but I really hope if I can play for a month enough to win the contest, I don't need an Opalo and Pixie armor anymore.:p

Thanks very much for your entry - I think the way you made your submission is great, and makes our life very much easier. +REP
I would like all the other entrants to do this too, but we won't make it a requirement of entry for this month as it's now a little late.

Yes the time helps, but I think that anyone sad enough to go to those lengths to cheat is only cheating themselves out of valuable time ;)

There is no limit on when you started playing, because it's very hard to determine this and depending on how much/how you play your skills can change very differently.

Welcome and good Luck!

[Eud Sgurr]

Thanks for the scans phunksta. I have updated my application earlier in this thread with screenies.

[cantbe]

Thank you phunksta for the scan last night. I am getting really confused by now :) . Look at my screenies below. As you can see, Laser Weapon Technology is over 1000 skill points now, but it seems it doesn't have an effect on the professions. That skill is gaining madly when I shoot my laser carbine and handgun. I have not made a single laser weapon crafting attempt. Is this how it is suppose to be? :confused:


Anyway. I hope I am still eligible for the competition! :)

Hi, LASER WEAPON TECHNOLOGY , is not a 'profession' so yes you still are able to enter , i hope this clears this up

[cantbe]

Well I am quite sure I had over 1000 points in Rifle skill before I hit level 10 in any profession, not to talk about Laser Weaponry Technology. I don't think that the chart mean that 1000 skill points is the same as level 10 in a profession (which profession btw?), as a profession depends on different skills. My guess is that the chart suggests that you are "qualified" in a certain skill when you have 1000 points of it, and "qualified" in a profession when you reached level 10. And it doesn't mean that 1000 skill points is equal to 10 levels in a profession.

Was this understandable? :) I could be wrong, but it feels right to me lol

If this is correct, it's not a problem though. The rules for the competition could be changed to that level 10 (or a bit less) in any profession is max to be able to compete.
i agree the rules should be changed to less than level 10 in any profession, an oversight on my part , sorry

[Yanick]

I tried to post in the December 2007 entrants, but that thread was closed. I'd like to post my skills from the correct screens that Phunk and Burger told me to post. Please review and let me as I get the feeling that I may/will have to drop out of the contest.

Thanks,
Sylc

[phunksta]

I tried to post in the December 2007 entrants, but that thread was closed. I'd like to post my skills from the correct screens that Phunk and Burger told me to post. Please review and let me as I get the feeling that I may/will have to drop out of the contest.

Thanks,
Sylc

Sorry Sylc but one cantbe returned I think we changes the entry to only need professional standings scans.

You already had these so didn't need to post skills too.

Sorry it's all been so confusing this time around folks! Next time will be easyier when we've ironed out the kinks ;)

[Yanick]

Sorry Sylc but one cantbe returned I think we changes the entry to only need professional standings scans.

You already had these so didn't need to post skills too.

Sorry it's all been so confusing this time around folks! Next time will be easyier when we've ironed out the kinks ;)

Thank you I must have missed that post! :-)